21) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5592)
Posted 20 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
I don't do chat boxes, I'm not 13.


I guess you must be 13, since according to the chat logs you were in that very chat box.

but quickly turned tail when you were ridiculed for your nonsensical NPC behavior. can't take the heat I guess lol.
No, I just couldn't be bothered with the stupid response from someone in a team who doesn't even have a loyalty to a country, but a review site! Who cares about Anandtech?!
22) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5591)
Posted 20 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
To be (slightly) less childish, what is surprising is that the whole "task blocked issue" has suddenly solved very quickly for most of our crunchers (who reported it) at l'AF.

So a huge saturation of the servers finally vanished in a very short time, for what is seems.

Curious.

(I said slightly less childish ;) )
It's not curious at all. Nobody is trying to get more work for the competitions now, just trying to send stuff back. So it's caught up.
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5584)
Posted 20 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
Just wanted to thank @Kryzsztof for being a great BOINC project Admin, and dealing with the sometimes chaotic nature of BOINC and BOINC crunchers.

The constant communication with participants is greatly appreciated.
+1

Compared to Rosetta where the last contact was almost 2 years ago!
24) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5583)
Posted 20 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
With all the global firepower out there I'm shocked there isn't more projects out there to slice the pie further. Either the world has run out scientific endeavors or the importance of what we do is overstated.


There are many "problems" associated with running BOINC projects...

One needs a suitably good "project" for people to support, with clear aims and goals
One needs plenty of actual "real world tasks", in order to satisfy the demand for tasks.
One needs plenty of "bandwidth" to be able to feed that demand for tasks
One needs reliable and capacious hardware platforms on which to run the project
One needs money for admin/support staff to run the server and keep tasks flowing
One needs patience to deal with short term problems (as every project will face at some point)
(I could go on, but you get the point...)

Ticking all of these boxes (and more perhaps) is something that not every project can do...and therein lies the problem - running a BOINC project with limited appeal, off low-end hardware and with little support just doesn't work...and there are a few projects that are like this even now.

regards
Tim
Or to look at the other way, Boinc projects are for the small fry without cash. You just need an admin and a server (on top of your research staff obviously). Those with loads of money use their own hardware. LHC for example only does a small proportion on Boinc, most is done on their own systems.
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5582)
Posted 20 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
you'd know if you read the SG Pent chat box yesterday. one of your team mates anonymously leaked it's existence. a program or service called "krunchie" for automated bunkering.
I don't do chat boxes, I'm not 13.

if you don't know about it, then it seems your team doesn't trust you enough yet.
I can bunker all by myself, and have told them so, so I doubt they felt the need to give me the program.

weird flex on Americans though,
Not really, you are the laughing stock of the world. This is an example of what we think of your intelligence:
https://youtu.be/kRh1zXFKC_o

since one of the top contributers to your team
Really? You're digging into my team now? Look, if you want a threesome just ask.

(PecosRiverM) is a red white and blue blooded Texan lol
The biggest is Polish.

And actually, it just goes to show Pecos doesn't like his own country and prefers mine.
26) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5575)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
I doubt many people are stupid enough to leave due to short term problems.
Not everyone who have another opinion than yours is automatically stupid...
To give up on something because it's temporarily down is very stupid.

Your childish remark just shows you up as one of those listed above.
27) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5573)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
The amount of research that will have been done during the competition is surely worth it.


Not necessarily, if a lot of people are quiting the project due to the problem, you lose in the long term. And these are the people who are crunching the whole year, instead of just 2 weeks a year.

Short term, you win maybe, but long term, you can lose a lot of users. Bad publicity if you cannot upload or download any work for weeks.

And as the saying goes: Trust (in a project) Arrives on Foot and Leaves on Horseback. It takes long to get a lot of trust, but you can loose it very, very quickly with this kind of actions.
I doubt many people are stupid enough to leave due to short term problems.
28) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5572)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
In summary, calm down, wait it out, and engage with SETI Germany to determine how their competition can have a lesser impact on projects going forward.
Not announcing the project name before the sprint would be a good idea. Bunkering is just silly.
did your team let you use their krunchie program to bunker? you should ask them.
I assume that's some pathetic dig at the Scot's diet. As an American you should not poke fun, the whole world laughs at your country.
29) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5568)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
The problem is now in very large number of concurrent HTTP connections.
Our server handles about 300 simultaneous connections and it is maximum what it can do.

Setting more makes server very unstable (in terms of deamons, not machine or operating system) and cause more problems then it solve.

Most (if not all) BOINC documented method of increasing server performance I have already implemented, but we are limited by network and what system can handle.
Did you not say once there was a faster network being given to your server?
30) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5567)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
I'm tired of this bullshit project. Fucking server sucks, the whole thing is run by amateurs who don't know what the fuck they're doing. Can't upload shit. Website nearly unresponsive. No sign of any action by the "administrator". Fuck off, I'm gone to put my time into a project that's worth the effort.

Bye
Gotta love your simple straight forward response!
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5566)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
In summary, calm down, wait it out, and engage with SETI Germany to determine how their competition can have a lesser impact on projects going forward.
Not announcing the project name before the sprint would be a good idea. Bunkering is just silly.
32) Message boards : Number crunching : Server Thread (Message 5565)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
Project was running very well, very well indeed up until the Pentathlon contest was started.

Very bad decision to agree to let the project be included in the contest.

Prior to the contest, it was able to handle the original volume of users and tasks quite well. No issues at all.
The amount of research that will have been done during the competition is surely worth it.
33) Message boards : Number crunching : LOOK OUT!!!! Pentathlon! (Message 5561)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
try looking past your own nose and read the admin's post. he explained the limits.
And pray tell where is this post you arrogant fool(s)?
34) Message boards : Number crunching : LOOK OUT!!!! Pentathlon! (Message 5559)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
the admin already commented that it's a network limitation. only 300 active connections at a time.
All limitations can be overcome. What is causing this limitation? Imagine Google could only service 300 people at a time!

And did you miss me in Einstein?
35) Message boards : Number crunching : LOOK OUT!!!! Pentathlon! (Message 5548)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
Oops server overload, at least it didn't crash and the website still works. 150 tasks failed to upload over 24 hours, tried many times.

Have we found another bottleneck or has something blown up?
Too many users for the hardware, they have plenty of hardware for normal everyday stuff but not nearly enough for challenges that bring double the normal users.
I assume the SSDs are no longer the bottleneck. We need to upgrade something else, time for another fundraiser! I wonder if he ever got that faster network connected up? It is behaving like that - the server doesn't appear overloaded, just you can't get to it sometimes.

The pentathlon finished 5 hours ago, but I still can't get many tasks uploaded.

Hopefully we got a LOT of research done!
36) Message boards : Number crunching : LOOK OUT!!!! Pentathlon! (Message 5547)
Posted 19 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
I was off to clear the backlog, but I did something I advise against. Installing two different models of AMD GPU in one computer. Driver screw up. Registry corruption. Windows broken.
Hmmm, maybe the Windows AMD drivers are crankier than the Ubuntu drivers. As long as I was able to keep the number of gpu tasks the same for both different models of my Radeon video cards I was able to run different cards. (Think).

Near the end though I had exactly the same model Radeon cards so I could be mis-remembering. I no longer have any Radeon cards so I can't go back and check.

Tom M
The card I got was quite old, a 6990. It had a very old style Radeon driver which probably objected strongly to Windows 11. It was ok when I moved the card to another machine, removed all the existing cards and drivers, and just put that card in with it's own drivers. I think you can only have one Radeon driver installed. You have to choose one of the right era to support all the cards you have. Newer drivers stop supporting old cards. Old drivers obviously don't support cards made after they were released.

However I think I've busted the card. One of the two GPUs in it was 102C, although it was still running! The other was 65C. I removed the existing cowl and fan and replaced it with two very powerful fans sat directly on the heatsinks, replacing the single (!) fan in the centre. This changed it to 55/90C. So I took the heatsink off the hot one and shoved more paste into it (it must have warped and been too far away). That changed it to 55/80C. It ran for 24 hours on Milkyway and now isn't recognised by any computer I plug it into. Not sure I can return it after having taken it apart and bent the heatsinks out of shape to accommodate the extra fans! I might have to sell it as spares or repairs :-(
37) Message boards : Number crunching : LOOK OUT!!!! Pentathlon! (Message 5475)
Posted 17 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
Oops server overload, at least it didn't crash and the website still works. 150 tasks failed to upload over 24 hours, tried many times.

Have we found another bottleneck or has something blown up?
38) Message boards : Number crunching : LOOK OUT!!!! Pentathlon! (Message 5437)
Posted 15 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
I was off to clear the backlog, but I did something I advise against. Installing two different models of AMD GPU in one computer. Driver screw up. Registry corruption. Windows broken.
39) Message boards : Number crunching : LOOK OUT!!!! Pentathlon! (Message 5424)
Posted 14 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:
Universe has been chosen to run from 5 May to 19 May.
Thank you for the Information. I was wondering how long this misery was going to last.
I'm sure Krzysztof will be happy to get so much work done, makes up for the time the server was completely down. I'm fed up of competitions actually, I'm off to clear the Nbody backlog in Milkyway.
40) Message boards : Number crunching : LOOK OUT!!!! Pentathlon! (Message 5339)
Posted 7 May 2022 by Mr P Hucker
Post:

I love this, Ian.
Cartoons are for children. How old are you?


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