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Message 625 - Posted: 21 Oct 2015, 6:40:34 UTC
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What is the matter with this damn server...
First the WUs are more than 4 times longer and BoincManager was collecting the new WUs while he was calculating with the old short time so that its difficult to crunch all the WUs.. than there is no possibility to upload the files since hours..
I tried to upload files which where ready at last night and should be uploaded at about 4 o clock today.. but its not possible.. no way!
so.. WHATS THE MATTER? Its not funny, let the computers work for hours and than everything is gone because more than 12 hours for each WU is lost!
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Message 627 - Posted: 21 Oct 2015, 7:54:16 UTC
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Message 628 - Posted: 21 Oct 2015, 7:59:54 UTC - in response to Message 627.  

CyrusNGC....
das nutzt mir ziemlich wenig..
Ich bin nur sauer, wenn ich fertige WUs nicht hochladen kann wobei dies schon 6 Stunden vor der deadline versucht wurde.. mittlerweile ist die deadline ca 6 Stunden überschritten und dann schaut man in die Röhre und weiß daß ein halber Tag Berechnungszeit und auch Strom verwschwendet wurde, obwohl man nicht daran Schuld ist, die WUs nicht hochladen zu können...
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Message 630 - Posted: 21 Oct 2015, 8:27:39 UTC
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ok.. just now I could upload everything and also download new wus..
now lets look how the uploaded wus are granted after upload was 6 hours to late because of the serverproblems..

edit..
good news.. could just see that they are granted.. well, ok, so now I only need a bottle of .. hmm.. baldrian/valerian??
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Message 633 - Posted: 21 Oct 2015, 11:50:15 UTC - in response to Message 630.  

...ok, so now I only need a bottle of .. hmm.. baldrian/valerian??

I prefer beer personally ;)
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Message 638 - Posted: 22 Oct 2015, 18:45:19 UTC
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@jcworks:
Gibt da eine Karenzzeit, innerhalb derer WUs verspätet trotzdem noch gültig gemeldet werden können. Bei Asteroids hatte ich da mal 18h beobachtet (vllt. noch mehr).
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Message 643 - Posted: 24 Oct 2015, 20:45:21 UTC - in response to Message 638.  

@jcworks:
Gibt da eine Karenzzeit, innerhalb derer WUs verspätet trotzdem noch gültig gemeldet werden können. Bei Asteroids hatte ich da mal 18h beobachtet (vllt. noch mehr).


Da hatte ich allerdings gerade bei Universe schon schlechte Erfahrungen gemacht.. aufgrund eines Internetproblems wurden WUs etwa 4 Stunden verspätet abgeschickt und es gab nix mehr...
aber ich denke, daß aufgrund der WU-Umstellung aktuell alles ein bißchen anders ist.
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Message 688 - Posted: 2 Nov 2015, 4:02:58 UTC

Not sure if I've got the new WUs or not but they are coming in with an estimate of 1:25:29 on my i7-5960 but are running for around 14-15 hours on average. About 10 times the estimate or BOINC is doing a bad job benchmarking my system.
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Message 689 - Posted: 2 Nov 2015, 10:30:47 UTC - in response to Message 688.  
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Not sure if I've got the new WUs or not ...

You currently have 2 types in progress, the ones with a one week deadline are the "medium new" ones, the ones with a two weeks deadline the "brandnew" ones.

The one-week WUs have a somewhat longer runtime and a really bad estimated runtime (by mistake), the two-week ones run shorter but have a much higher estimated runtime. As your host probably has adjusted the correction factor to the one-week results, the two-week results will probably be listed with an estimated runtime of several days but will run less than one day.

The one-week results have a better time to credits ratio than the two-week results.

As soon as you have only brandnew (two-weeks) results left, the estimated runtime will slowly adjust to more realistic values I guess (but I'm not so experienced with the new estimate mimic of the 7.x core client so I might be wrong there).
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Message 690 - Posted: 2 Nov 2015, 12:20:15 UTC - in response to Message 689.  

You're right...

Estimated runtime value is mainly set by server settings but as I can see on my computers not all clients really care about this parameter. really don't know why this happen but make more difficult for me to set up it correctly...
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Message 691 - Posted: 2 Nov 2015, 13:03:32 UTC - in response to Message 689.  

Not sure if I've got the new WUs or not ...

You currently have 2 types in progress, the ones with a one week deadline are the "medium new" ones, the ones with a two weeks deadline the "brandnew" ones.

The one-week WUs have a somewhat longer runtime and a really bad estimated runtime (by mistake), the two-week ones run shorter but have a much higher estimated runtime. As your host probably has adjusted the correction factor to the one-week results, the two-week results will probably be listed with an estimated runtime of several days but will run less than one day.

The one-week results have a better time to credits ratio than the two-week results.

As soon as you have only brandnew (two-weeks) results left, the estimated runtime will slowly adjust to more realistic values I guess (but I'm not so experienced with the new estimate mimic of the 7.x core client so I might be wrong there).


Thanks for the explanation. I just signed up to this project and had no idea what to expect but just wanted to pass on my experience to date. Wasn't too bothered about the run times other than the effect it may have on other projects I'm subscribed too particularly as I had a large number of Universe@Home WUs with quite a short deadline but also had a large number of WUs from other projects that were also long running and all with a short deadline.

SInce I just changed my motherboard and CPU, going from a 4 processor/8 thread to an 8 processor/16 thread CPU helped cut the backlog down to size. I thought the low estimated run time would affect the WUs I get from the other projects I subscribe to.
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Message 716 - Posted: 8 Nov 2015, 5:30:56 UTC - in response to Message 588.  
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Norton just kicked you off my laptop. Universe x-ray was considered dangerous and had a bad reputation. It also killed a calendar program I wrote and have used for 10 years, so don't feel bad.
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Message 728 - Posted: 10 Nov 2015, 21:00:23 UTC - in response to Message 716.  
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SIMPLEST thing to do for ALL Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware and most "smart" Firewall programs is to
EXLUDE the BOINC PROGRAM and BOINC DATA Folders from ACTIVE and PASSIVE SCAN(s).

This will resolve MOST FALSE POSITIVE "alarm(s)"; PREVENT blocking of BOINC communication and let BOINC Projects run without "user intervention".

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Message 731 - Posted: 11 Nov 2015, 12:15:12 UTC

Well, i think the cred payment is to low ! http://universeathome.pl/universe/workunit.php?wuid=2961669
my box, 92k sec !
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Message 732 - Posted: 11 Nov 2015, 12:36:36 UTC - in response to Message 731.  

CPU 4300 @ 1.80GHz explains it very well...
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Message 733 - Posted: 11 Nov 2015, 12:58:32 UTC - in response to Message 732.  

CPU 4300 @ 1.80GHz explains it very well...

No!!,
this box runs only for the Wuprop hours,,but before longer wu`s.was added,, cred was 1500+ ! with a shorter runtime.
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Message 734 - Posted: 11 Nov 2015, 13:32:39 UTC - in response to Message 733.  

SORRY ! I have mislead myself!
Wu`s was longer before, i made a big mistake here.sorry again...
cred seems fair !!
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Message 767 - Posted: 19 Nov 2015, 4:08:54 UTC

Not sure if the latest lot of WUs I have are the longer ones but they certainly are long. Currently I have 29 WUs all with a deadline of 1st December 2015 and an estimated runtime of 563 hours. Unless this estimate is wildly out, I may as well abort them now as I won't make the deadline for any of them. With the WUs I have from from other projects, it is going to be about a week before I start on these so unlikely to make that deadline.

Is the estimate correct does anybody know. I have an i7 5960X processor.
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Message 768 - Posted: 19 Nov 2015, 5:55:29 UTC - in response to Message 767.  

Not sure if the latest lot of WUs I have are the longer ones but they certainly are long. Currently I have 29 WUs all with a deadline of 1st December 2015 and an estimated runtime of 563 hours. Unless this estimate is wildly out, I may as well abort them now as I won't make the deadline for any of them. With the WUs I have from from other projects, it is going to be about a week before I start on these so unlikely to make that deadline.

Is the estimate correct does anybody know. I have an i7 5960X processor.


You should have no problem finishing them. See "Inaccurate estimation of runtimes" thread in the number crunching forum.
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Message 815 - Posted: 27 Nov 2015, 1:51:04 UTC
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Hi,
if I look at the v3 v0.02 results, they gave me 1333.33 credits per WU at about 20,000s needed processing time.
At least that is written behind the results in the bottom table. In the fifth line right under the resultnumber is written 333.33. Why this???
http://universeathome.pl/universe/workunit.php?wuid=2765721
The new WUs of v3 v0.04 (1333.33/1538.46) or v4 v0.02 (1333.33/952.38) have a similar Problem, but anyhow they need about the same time, but the newer is giving half credit?!
http://universeathome.pl/universe/workunit.php?wuid=2848417
http://universeathome.pl/universe/workunit.php?wuid=2945356
Interesting enough, my first v4 v0.02 result is showing the credits right: 952.38 at both positions ...!
http://universeathome.pl/universe/workunit.php?wuid=2945333
At least the ULX are consistent in credits rewarded, and as four ULX will need about the same time as one v3 v0.04 or one v4 0.02 and as three of them will still give more credit then than v4 v0.02 ones, there is a clear Preference to them as of credits ...
So why you do not give credits in relation to the time needed? is processing power not the same as processing power? If one Task needs four times longer than another on some typical architecture, it should get four times the credits ...
I personally are not of that credithunter type, all projects are getting spent my processing time, but in relation to their credits per minute on my system. But only their best crediting app ...
From time to time I am checking it again. So ULX give about 53 credits per hour on my architecture, so I assign this as resource share in BOINC and will disable the other applications of Universe ...
But Primegrids "Sierpinski Problem ESP/PSP/SoB (Sieve) v1.12" gives me 151.79 credits per WU finished in less than one hour, so it gets a credit share of 178 and runs for 3.5 the time than Universe ...

PLEASE CARE FOR YOUR CREDITS --
it doesn't cost you anything, but it shows how much you are interested in the time/resources spent.

Daniel Beer (<-- Even if I never drink it ;)
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