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Message 3764 - Posted: 4 Sep 2019, 8:31:54 UTC - in response to Message 3752.  

Universe@home is with CPU one of the best payed project in credit in regards to other project.
usually if you compute themselve an own project with the virtual box with an I7 then he is giving with full power only 220 credits for a quarter of an hour computing for a chemistry project.
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I received an order to do that for a brilliant student of the chemistry high school of mulhouse. After solving the whole models in a quarter of an hour with 8 CPU i received 220 points.
This is the reason why i am sure that Universe@home computing is overpayed.
Instead that the boincer do critik upon the credit payment They should think that the project congratulate you for your computing because without your computing for boinc then we could not make significative advance in science.
Your Help bring the future of the planet and the first who benefit of this knoledge are your children at school or for other project your own medical system.
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Message 3765 - Posted: 4 Sep 2019, 8:33:12 UTC

Well, it's been about three days since the last batch of WU's were released.......

Has anyone seen a credit change yet?

I'm still seeing only 33% of what was.....
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Message 3766 - Posted: 4 Sep 2019, 8:57:01 UTC - in response to Message 3764.  

Universe@home is with CPU one of the best payed project in credit in regards to other project.
usually if you compute themselve an own project with the virtual box with an I7 then he is giving with full power only 220 credits for a quarter of an hour computing for a chemistry project.
I explain:
I received an order to do that for a brilliant student of the chemistry high school of mulhouse. After solving the whole models in a quarter of an hour with 8 CPU i received 220 points.
This is the reason why i am sure that Universe@home computing is overpayed.
Instead that the boincer do critik upon the credit payment They should think that the project congratulate you for your computing because without your computing for boinc then we could not make significative advance in science.
Your Help bring the future of the planet and the first who benefit of this knoledge are your children at school or for other project your own medical system.
Best Regards

Guy PFLIEGER France


Why don't we eliminate credit altogether?
Everyone just be forced to crunch for science?

What a wonderful world it would be.....

Except the science wouldn't be getting done....... WHY?

Because most people don't live in a bubble or vacuum....... they live in a practical world where they get something in return for the massive outlays of cash it takes to crunch this work.....

What do we get? points on a screen in an electronic world.... we get nothing of any real value for the actual real value we generously give.... and to be told that the real value we give isn't worth the little bit of time and effort to be fair, or like here, that it isn't sufficient value to be fair. WE give real dollars in the form of computer purchases to set up farms or even a single machine, we give real dollars in the form of the monthly electric bills which are NOT getting cheaper.... all we ask in return is the little bit of time to recognize that by taking the time for tallying bits in the bitstream and publishing them, which is mostly done automatically with little in the way of scientist involvement....

Yet the scientists can't even do that in exchange for the massive REAL valuable resources freely given to their little dream project.........

You can have your egalitarian ideals, your welcome to them. but don't try to force them on me.....
The guilt you cite only serves to accentuate the arrogance the scientists are demonstrating by being so unfair....

Those are the points that tend to aggravate most of the common folk that are crunching the little dream projects the scientists care so much about.......

It's easy to rent a server farm now, maybe all the scientists can go rent the servers and hardware they need to do their projects and stop taking so much from those with less that still freely give........ (till it hurts sometimes)

let the scientists spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars needed to get their projects crunched.... and if they are unwilling to do such, then they shouldn't be insulting those who are making that donation willingly and happily.
But then I've been doing this long enough to know and understand that such is asking way too much from the scientific community and science lovers out there...
Dealing with people like the individual crunchers is a disdainful task for scientists, but a necessary one if they want their project to succeed.... As I said, they could always go to their university/corporate sponsor and ask that they spend the cash it takes to crunch their project and see how far that takes them...

Good luck with that....
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Message 3767 - Posted: 4 Sep 2019, 9:39:24 UTC - in response to Message 3765.  

Well, it's been about three days since the last batch of WU's were released.......

Has anyone seen a credit change yet?

I'm still seeing only 33% of what was.....

Tasks are starting in order of generation time. Still some older WU's are in queue.
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Message 3773 - Posted: 4 Sep 2019, 23:18:29 UTC

After all the whining about credits, I thought I should look at mine on BOINCstats, which I very seldom do. I see that they are over twice as high as on any other project.

I think the credits here should be cut in half. It will drive people to the other projects, where they can get what they deserve.
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Message 3775 - Posted: 5 Sep 2019, 3:58:18 UTC - in response to Message 3766.  
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Universe@home is with CPU one of the best payed project in credit in regards to other project.
usually if you compute themselve an own project with the virtual box with an I7 then he is giving with full power only 220 credits for a quarter of an hour computing for a chemistry project.
I explain:
I received an order to do that for a brilliant student of the chemistry high school of mulhouse. After solving the whole models in a quarter of an hour with 8 CPU i received 220 points.
This is the reason why i am sure that Universe@home computing is overpayed.
Instead that the boincer do critik upon the credit payment They should think that the project congratulate you for your computing because without your computing for boinc then we could not make significative advance in science.
Your Help bring the future of the planet and the first who benefit of this knoledge are your children at school or for other project your own medical system.
Best Regards

Guy PFLIEGER France


Why don't we eliminate credit altogether?
Everyone just be forced to crunch for science?

What a wonderful world it would be.....

Except the science wouldn't be getting done....... WHY?

Because most people don't live in a bubble or vacuum....... they live in a practical world where they get something in return for the massive outlays of cash it takes to crunch this work.....

What do we get? points on a screen in an electronic world.... we get nothing of any real value for the actual real value we generously give.... and to be told that the real value we give isn't worth the little bit of time and effort to be fair, or like here, that it isn't sufficient value to be fair. WE give real dollars in the form of computer purchases to set up farms or even a single machine, we give real dollars in the form of the monthly electric bills which are NOT getting cheaper.... all we ask in return is the little bit of time to recognize that by taking the time for tallying bits in the bitstream and publishing them, which is mostly done automatically with little in the way of scientist involvement....

Yet the scientists can't even do that in exchange for the massive REAL valuable resources freely given to their little dream project.........

You can have your egalitarian ideals, your welcome to them. but don't try to force them on me.....
The guilt you cite only serves to accentuate the arrogance the scientists are demonstrating by being so unfair....

Those are the points that tend to aggravate most of the common folk that are crunching the little dream projects the scientists care so much about.......

It's easy to rent a server farm now, maybe all the scientists can go rent the servers and hardware they need to do their projects and stop taking so much from those with less that still freely give........ (till it hurts sometimes)

let the scientists spend the hundreds of thousands of dollars needed to get their projects crunched.... and if they are unwilling to do such, then they shouldn't be insulting those who are making that donation willingly and happily.
But then I've been doing this long enough to know and understand that such is asking way too much from the scientific community and science lovers out there...
Dealing with people like the individual crunchers is a disdainful task for scientists, but a necessary one if they want their project to succeed.... As I said, they could always go to their university/corporate sponsor and ask that they spend the cash it takes to crunch their project and see how far that takes them...

Good luck with that....



Spot on EG I couldn't have said it better myself.

Beside why would those who say they don't care about credit care about credit? It makes no sense. Either they care or they don't? Or are they saying they want bad credit just because it's bad? That would make even less sense.
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Message 3777 - Posted: 5 Sep 2019, 12:45:58 UTC

I agree with EG.
The realities of the DC world that have been demonstrated over and over again:
Less credit = fewer crunchers.
More credit = more crunchers.

Admin, the choice is yours.
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Message 3784 - Posted: 6 Sep 2019, 9:30:11 UTC - in response to Message 3775.  
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Spot on EG I couldn't have said it better myself.

Beside why would those who say they don't care about credit care about credit? It makes no sense. Either they care or they don't? Or are they saying they want bad credit just because it's bad? That would make even less sense.
But many have forgotten that there was no storm of indignation when about a year ago (or two) the credits were massively increased and so virtually all the hard-won work by new entrants was devalued. That was the normal credit level for years. Only as a reminder.
As it is now, it's ok and I would stay at the old (lower) as well as the new (higher) level.
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Message 3787 - Posted: 9 Sep 2019, 9:09:11 UTC - in response to Message 3784.  

But many have forgotten that there was no storm of indignation when about a year ago (or two) the credits were massively increased and so virtually all the hard-won work by new entrants was devalued. That was the normal credit level for years. Only as a reminder.

As it is now, it's ok and I would stay at the old (lower) as well as the new (higher) level.

Amen to above! I'm here for the science and to explore the universe, not a credit race. . . . and I'm not into Bitcoins, etc.
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